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Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 7:43 am Post subject: Bill Miller |
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| Quote: | The situation today is more complicated. Stocks are cheap in relation to bonds, in my
opinion, and U.S. stocks, especially the U.S. mega-caps that were so expensive in 1999, appear
particularly attractive on a long-term basis. The popular winners of today remain, as they have
for several years: energy, materials, commodity-related companies, China, India, emerging
markets, and non-U.S. generally. In the first quarter, materials was the best sector, but anything
hard asset or infrastructure related did pretty well.
We benefited particularly fromour large holdings in steel stocks, which rose over 30% in the
quarter. Our also large homebuilder position, on the other hand, declined by about the same
percentage. You may be surprised (but you should not be) that we are more cautious near-term
on our steel position, but increasingly optimistic about the builders.
The news flow on steel is great, and will likely get even better in the second quarter, as
margins expand due to the pricing umbrella provided to the integrated companies such as
United States Steel Corp., by the increase in scrap prices and the resultant price increases
instituted by market leader Nucor.
The news flow on builders is terrible, what with the subprime collapse, foreclosures soaring,
home prices falling, and the companies mostly losing money.No housing bubble now! But the
builders trade around book value, and some, like our holdings Beazer Homes USA Inc. and
MeritageHomes Corp., well below book value. Buying builders around book value or below has
historically been a prescription for excess returns for anyone willing to look out a couple of
years. But whenever they reach book value, investors don’t want them because they are looking
out the next few months or so, and are fearful of what new bad news may occur.
In general, you should expect us to be selling what people like, and buying what they hate.
This is not done naively, it is just that mostly what people like is expensive, and what they don’t
like is cheap, and buying the cheap asset and selling the expensive one seems logical, except
when you actually do it.
One of the new things we have been doing, which may seem at odds with that, is some
private equity deals. We bought a position in a fund called AP Alternative Assets, a funding
vehicle created by Apollo, one of the largest and most accomplished private equity firms. Since
The Investment Commentary is not a part of the Quarterly Report to Shareholders.
the investment, Apollo has given us the opportunity to invest alongside them in some of their
deals. You will hear more about these investments in future letters.
iv Investment Commentary |
http://www.leggmason.com/funds/ourfunds/rts/Opportunity_Trust_3-31-07.pdf
There are also a lot of fantastic insights of a more general nature in the annual report. A must read:
http://www.leggmason.com/funds/ourfunds/rts/Value_Trust_3-31-07.pdf |
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rffrydr Moderator


Joined: 30 Oct 2005 Posts: 6351 Location: Sunny California
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Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 8:00 am Post subject: |
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ASX down five days in row (shout-out Goodfella) and Chinese steel inventories should tatter that pricing umbrella by Christmas (no favors from today's durables)--in any case, what he's really been riding and won't say is the steel buyout binge. To admit that would be out of character.
As is well known I like the contrarian play but still won't touch the builders. "Every time" is a deceptive guide when it comes to RE. 1990, 1979? The cycle is so long and the prejudice is so strong that it loses its meaning vis-a-vis an investment window. We've discussed how fallow land is "bgooked" in these dogs--and how the marketability of that land is driving excess production even now. Besides he's been in these bombs so long it wasn't really a contrarian play--still the faith of bubble there I suppose. 20 years of capital markets ascendency with ever more refined levels of indexing and these traders don't know how to handle "time-frames." _________________ Today is the Tomorrow you worried about Yesterday! |
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Joined: 06 Aug 2004 Posts: 6876 Location: Houston, Texas & Los Angeles, California
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Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 1:46 pm Post subject: |
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Legg Mason was the only top 10 mutual fund family to have net withdrawals this year, as Bill Miller continues to suffer from wrong-way bets:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aZQtrTJMOmRM&refer=home
| Quote: | Legg Mason Inc.'s largest shareholder, Axa SA, cut its stake to 8.9 percent from 14 percent as the Baltimore-based fund manager struggles with subpar investment returns and client withdrawals.
Axa controls 11.4 million Legg Mason shares, according to a filing today with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission. The Paris-based insurer previously held 18.5 million shares, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. |
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Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 2:27 pm Post subject: |
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Bill Miller's take on the US stock market and US-based assets:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=as2ae85nP03g&refer=home
| Quote: | | "The new leadership will be U.S., large-cap, dollar-based, and grow to encompass what no one wants to own today,'' Miller wrote in a letter to shareholders dated Nov. 1 that Baltimore- based Legg Mason Inc. sent today by e-mail. |
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Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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Legg Mason on the current turmoil in the US credit markets:
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/7c9ad16c-a2d4-11dc-81c4-0000779fd2ac.html
| Quote: | Chip Mason, chief executive and founder of Legg Mason, one of the world's largest money managers, said yesterday that the credit markets are in the worst state he has seen in his 47 years in the business.
Isaac Souede, the founder of Permal, another Legg subsidiary which is one of the largest hedge fund of funds, said this year had also been the most challenging he had experienced in his 21 years in the industry.
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Mr Souede, whose Permal manages close to $40bn, put the odds of a recession in the US at about 40 per cent. He appeared slightly more pessimistic than the others on the Legg Mason panel.
He added that if the US went into recession, "China will fall hard and take the rest of Asia with it. I don't think that China can withstand a severe US recession". |
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Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 11:11 am Post subject: |
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| FYI. Since the end of November, Bill Miller's Legg Mason Value Trust has continued to underperform the S&P 500. As of yesterday at the close, the Legg Mason Value Institutional Fund is down 3.41% on a YTD basis, trailing the S&P 500 (total return) by 10.26%. This is on top of the 8.87% of underperformance in 2006. |
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Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 6:14 pm Post subject: |
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A take on Bill Miller's performance this year, and last year:
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Legg's Miller lags benchmark for 2nd year
Wednesday January 2, 4:50 pm ET
By Muralikumar Anantharaman
BOSTON (Reuters) - Money manager Bill Miller's performance in a key fund fell far short of its benchmark index for the second straight year in 2007, as his bets on financials and housing shares soured.
The $17.3 billion Legg Mason Value Trust fund, which Miller guided to 15 straight years of outperformance against the S&P 500 index until 2006, returned a negative 6.66 percent last year against a positive 5.50 percent return for the S&P index.
Before 2006, the fund's last underperforming year was also the last time it fell two years in a row, in 1989-90.
According to research firm Lipper Inc, the fund was the worst performer last year among all large-cap growth funds it tracks. In 2006, it returned just 5.9 percent against the S&P index's 15.8 percent return.
"It's tough to say right now as to what the future holds for this fund's performance in 2008. But Bill Miller has a deserved reputation as being an astute investor and I would still give him another opportunity," said Jeff Tjornehoj, senior research analyst at Lipper.
Miller, 57, usually makes big bets on a small number of stocks. The Value Trust fund, which he co-managed since its inception in 1982 before taking over sole management in 1991, had invested in 45 stocks at the end of September.
While that strategy can pay off handsomely -- as in the case of Google Inc (NasdaqGS:GOOG - News), which Miller bought at the time of its IPO in 2004 -- it can also bring pain when markets drop.
The fund's holdings of Citigroup Inc (NYSE:C - News), Countrywide Financial Corp (NYSE:CFC - News), Centex Corp (NYSE:CTX - News), KB Home (NYSE:KBH - News) and Pulte Homes Inc (NYSE:PHM - News) bled due to the impact of the subprime mortgage and credit crises.
Amazon.com Inc (NasdaqGS:AMZN - News), whose decline was responsible for some of the Value Trust fund's pain in 2006, was a huge winner for it in 2007. Shares of the Web retailer gained 135 percent in 2007 and it was the fund's top holding at the end of September with a market value of $1.7 billion.
WILL HISTORY REPEAT?
But Sprint Nextel Corp (NYSE:S - News) and Qwest Communications (NYSE:Q - News), both among the top five holdings of the fund as of end-September, fell in 2007.
"There were some very bright spots in the portfolio, there just weren't enough to overcome the disappointers," said Tjornehoj of Lipper.
Miller's sub-par performance contributed to investors pulling a total of about $9.6 billion from Baltimore-based Legg Mason Inc's (NYSE:LM - News) stock portfolios in the quarter ending September, analysts have said.
Acknowledging the recent poor showing of the fund in a November letter to investors, Miller said he would cut holdings of many of its biggest stocks, buy into new sectors and also cut holdings of smaller stocks in favor of bigger ones.
He also drew a parallel between the market environment in 1990, when the fund last underperformed the S&P index two years in a row, and now, saying a housing recession and swooning financial stocks then had enabled the fund to take advantage of good values to begin a sustained period of outperformance.
"While the past may not repeat itself, it does often rhyme, as Mark Twain once said," wrote Miller. The Value Trust fund has returned 13.24 percent a year against the S&P index's 10.50 percent return over a 15-year period, as per Lipper data.
Some feel the past could very well rhyme now.
"In my opinion, it's the time that I would be giving Bill Miller money to invest after he's had a couple of bad years, rather than running away from him," said Russell Croft, a portfolio manager at Baltimore-based Croft Funds Corp. |
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Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 11:48 pm Post subject: |
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For those who simply buy mutual funds for their portfolios, my sense is that Bill Miller's "flagship fund," the Legg Mason Value Trust will outperform going forward, given its domestic focus and its historic underweight of both the energy and materials sectors:
http://quicktake.morningstar.com/fundnet/TotalReturns.aspx?Country=USA&Symbol=LMVTX
This coincides with my view that consumer discretionary, financials, telecom, and tech will outperform going forward. Despite Miller's dismal five-year record, its ten-year record still remains solid. |
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Joined: 05 Oct 2006 Posts: 260 Location: Australia & New Zealand
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 1:15 am Post subject: |
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Henry, you had mentioned that you expect consumer staples and healthcare to do well this year. Is this still the case or do you now expect consumer discretionary, financials, telecom, and tech to outperform those sectors?
Thanks.. |
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