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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 9:47 am    Post subject: China Crash Reply with quote

The Coming China crash
By Martin Hutchinson

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China_Business/IL05Cb02.html

While the Chinese stock market, as measured by the China Securities Index 300, is down 18% since October 16, that follows a period of almost two years, since January 1, 2006, during which the CSI 300 soared 535%. Chinese economic growth is currently running at more than 11% and the big money is convinced that it will continue. At the same time, the country’s foreign exchange reserves have grown to US$1.4 trillion, the largest in the world.

A crash would appear to be imminent!

Bears on China have been common for the last decade, and their track record has not been good. To take just one unfair example, Henry Blodget, the former Internet genius, wrote in Slate in April 2005: "You've probably been daydreaming about the fortune to be made in Chinese stocks. Well, keep dreaming ... you'll eventually conclude that you could have done better selling insurance in Toledo." That was about six months before the Chinese market took off, and if anybody has made 500% on their investment by selling insurance in Toledo during that period, I haven't met him.

To see why a crash may be coming, it is worth examining the behavior of the China Investment Corporation, the US$200 billion sovereign wealth fund set up by the Chinese government in September. Now $200 billion is a fair chunk of cash; you could almost buy all but three US corporations with that (at today's prices, ExxonMobil, General Electric, Microsoft – there are four or five others including Google that barely top the bar.) Six weeks ago, the power of sovereign wealth funds was celebrated and China Investment's moves into the market were awaited with bated breath.

Well, so much for that. A third of China Investment's portfolio is to be invested in Central Huijin Investment Company, a purchaser of bad loans from the Chinese banks, and another third will recapitalize China Agricultural Bank and China Development Bank, to shape them up for privatization. About $3 billion of the fund was invested in the private equity manager Blackstone in May - that may have bought China useful political contacts, but it is now worth $2 billion. And the remainder is being invested very carefully, primarily in US Treasury securities - which are also losing money steadily in yuan terms.

The lackluster investment strategy of China Investment exposes a central flaw in the Chinese economy, its lack of a rational system of capital allocation. For more than a decade, Chinese state-owned companies have made losses and have been propped up by the banking system. Since 2004, loss-making state-owned companies have been joined by overbuilding municipalities, erecting white-elephant office blocks in attempts to turn themselves into the next Shanghai. None of these losses have resulted in bankruptcy; instead the cash flow deficits have been covered by the Chinese banks. As a result, these banks have an enormous volume of bad loans $911 billion at May 2006, according to a later-withdrawn estimate by Ernst & Young, which must surely have ballooned to $1.2 trillion to $1.3 trillion now.

That explains why China Investment is somewhat unaggressive in its international investment strategy. China's $1.4 trillion of reserves will in fact almost all be required to prop up the banking system when the inevitable liquidity crisis occurs. If the banks are to survive, China Investment will have to be followed by six more sovereign wealth funds of equal size, each of which will have to abandon its attempts to take over Exxon or Google and pour its money down domestic rat-holes.

A $1 trillion problem in subprime mortgages has caused even the US money market to seize up and has required frequent applications of sal volatile by the Fed. Since China's economy is around one fifth the size that of of the United States, the Chinese banking system's bad debt problem is in real terms about five times that of the United States, or about 40% of its gross domestic product.

We have seen this movie before; the Japanese banking system's bad debts after 1990 totaled around $1 trillion, about 30% of Japan's GDP. The result was the bursting of the 1980's bubble and a period of little or no economic growth that lasted well over a decade. Admittedly the Japanese authorities made matters worse by refusing to face up to their bad debt problem and issuing more government bonds to fund witless Keynesian public spending schemes.

Nevertheless, we can have very little confidence that the Chinese authorities, once the same problem stares them in the face, will do any better. After all, at least one of the alternative policy mixes, that tried by Herbert Hoover and the Federal Reserve in 1930-32, proved very much worse. Per capita US gross domestic product was no higher in 1940 than it had been in 1929, as in the Japanese case, but in the interval it had declined by a horrifying 28% and had recovered very slowly. If China faces the choice between a decade of stagnation, as in Japan from 1990-2003, and a decade of economic collapse, as in the United States from 1929-1940, it will rightly prefer the Japanese alternative.

It may not however have the choice. One of the factors that kept Japan out of real trouble in the 1990s was continued strong growth in the US and world economies; thus its magnificent export industries were able to continue growing, albeit at a slow rate, and provide a certain amount of traction for the economy as a whole. However, China will find it difficult to do the same, since the next decade does not seem likely to be a period of robust world growth. Far from it. The United States seems fated to endure at least a few years of very sluggish growth due to its housing market crash, and Britain appears to be in a similar mess, so even relatively robust growth in the resurgent economies of Germany and Japan may not be sufficient to keep Chinese exports growing.

At that point, China will have two alternatives. It can allow the banks to work their way out of their bad loans, condemning the domestic economy to probably a decade of little growth and extremely tight credit (high Chinese savings would alleviate this problem, but they will be trapped in the Chinese banks because the authorities foolishly do not allow Chinese citizens to invest abroad). Alternatively, it can inject more or less its entire foreign exchange reserves into the domestic banking system in order to recover its bad debts, which would allow the Chinese economy to continue expanding, but at a cost of devastatingly high inflation from the additional money pumped into the system (the $100 billion plus of Chinese bank initial public offerings carried out in 2006-07, pumped into the domestic economy, already appears to be worsening Chinese inflation and China Investment’s $130 billion will doubtless further aggravate the problem.)

We have seen societies with low economic growth, very high inequality (as China has now) and persistently high inflation; they are collectively known as Latin America. Since China also has much of the corruption that bedevils Latin America and its government lacks any genuine understanding of the free market and is increasingly dominated by special interests, it may indeed be fated to follow a Latin American growth path for the next few decades, with a tiny entrenched elite enriching itself at the expense of the disfranchised masses. That would be the worst possible outcome for the Chinese people, but it is not by any means impossible.

Many observers of the current US financial market downturn comfort themselves with the thought that the world now has more than one growth engine, and that China, with four times the US population, can because of its very high growth pull the world economy along sufficiently even when the US stalls. However, if China is about to incur the inevitable backlash from its recent debt and equity bubbles, during which practices have flourished that have no place in a well-functioning free market, then we may be entering a world in which the two main growth engines of the last decade are both broken. Growth in such a world will be truly sluggish and inflation high, as the world struggles to cope with the effects of an excess of cheap money now grown toxic.

The problem with major recessions is that they tend to produce foolish political reactions. In the United States, it seems likely that a major recession if we have one will produce resurgent protectionism and an aversion to world trade, which to the voting public will appear to have been responsible for the loss of millions of good US jobs without any corresponding gains to the living standards of the majority. Japan, bless it, remained admirably politically stable during its sluggish decade, and eventually found a leader in Junichiro Koizumi who was able to lead it back into renewed growth.

In China, there can be no assurance whatever that a populace whose living standards have suddenly stopped improving will not turn to violent nationalism and/or counterproductive economics. Since the country is not a democracy and not likely to become one, the authorities are likely to react to hardship as did Vladimir Putin to the chaos of late 1990s Russia, imposing even more draconian repression and seeking a military adventure abroad to occupy the masses of disaffected youth and distract the public from its new poverty. That too would produce a future in the West far worse than would be cased by a mere domestic recession.

Bears who weary of observing the chaos in the US financial markets can cheer themselves up by looking at China. There will be more than one source of the oncoming world downturn!

Martin Hutchinson is the author of Great Conservatives (Academica Press, 2005) - details can be found at www.greatconservatives.com.
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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2012 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FXI down 12% in two days, FCX and co down at Oct levels,; even CAT nailed...looks like capitulation in the supercycle trade (disproportionately held by asians via western markets).

Market has believed it for better part of year; now giving it up kicking and screaming. Grains getting bought and crude at support--we almost had exxon today. Looking for that turn first.
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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2012 10:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No doubt this is what "unsustainable" looks like....but also isn't it what transition to consumer society looks like?

http://www.cnbc.com/id/47424722


Throw in New Year and westward expansion and I expect lots of head fakes over the next six months. The rail shipments can probably be explained by no more hoarding bulk materials alone. And that's a plus for everybody.
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PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2012 7:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Barclay's on the first "clean" PMI after fall bust:

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China’s official NBS manufacturing PMI rose to a below-consensus 53.3 in April, from 53.1 March (Barclays: 53.5; Bloomberg: 53.6). Figure 1 shows that the seasonal rebound this year was much weaker than that in the past, suggesting growth momentum remains soft. Our estimates suggest that the seasonally adjusted NBS PMI remained at 51.6 as in March (Figure 2). Details show that the PMI for larger enterprises continued to drive the headline increase, up to 53.7 from 53.4, while that for smaller enterprises dropped to 49.1 from 50.9 in March, in line with the result of the HSBC flash PMI (49.1). By component, the output index rose strongly to 57.2 from 55.2, and new export orders edged higher to 52.2 from 51.9, but new orders softened to 54.5 from 55.1 and the import index fell to 50.5 from 51.5 (Figure 3-5). The mixed sub-indexes appear to be in line with our view that export growth is likely to stablise at a low level, but domestic demand remained weak and economic activities are recovering slowly.
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Overall, we think the April PMIs support our cautious views of the pace of recovery in industrial activity in the near term and our below-consensus 2012 GDP forecast of 8.1%. That said, we do expect the impact of the various policy easing and fine-tuning measures – easing credit, favourable policies to support first-home buyers, and expansionary fiscal policy to support infrastructure and social housing projects – to gradually feed through. Hence we continue to expect growth to stabilise and bottom out in Q2. The relatively robust labour market conditions and a pickup in CPI inflation generally expected in H2 suggest the room and need for aggressive policy easing is limited. It should be noted that the government has shown its willingness to slow down economic growth to rebalance the economy and contain inflation. Our base case continues to expect no interest rate cut this year. We look for two more RRR cuts this year depending on capital flows and see the next move likely to happen in May

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Right on form:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-04-01/china-s-manufacturing-expands-at-fastest-pace-in-12-months-1-.html

Thank you hedgie-boys!
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 9:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TMM getting long into this weekend's important PMI read:

http://macro-man.blogspot.com/2012/03/berlitz-china-pocket-guide.html
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 7:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jimmy's getting loooonnnnnnggggggerer:

http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?video=3000080080

I don't know when he did all his "hedging" (esp short EEM) but I'd say this is a serious reworking of his "go where the money is" last hurrah.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 9:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tabloids were talkin' coup last night. Wrong.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 12:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay, so put a number on it:

http://ftalphaville.ft.com/blog/2012/02/15/869511/a-fate-worse-than-a-hard-landing-for-china/

Okay, so you can't put a number on it. No man is an island--and no wall blocks out the world.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 7:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Against the FTSE?! That's almost a chart of china consumption/production.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 11:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chinese stocks still lagging badly:

http://www.chartoftheday.com/20111021.htm?T
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PostPosted: Sun May 30, 2010 12:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Highly Confidential":

http://www.economist.com/business-finance/displaystory.cfm?story_id=16231482
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 5:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, but it's only a bubble in the markets:

http://wap.ftchinese.com/story/001031854/en
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 9:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let the Shorts Be 'Right,' I'll Just Make Money

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Iron's breaking out. Copper's breaking out. Oil's breaking out. The stocks are being dragged along with it. And the hedge funds are all short because they have heard the siren of the China bubble.

The hedge funds are right. In the end, the Chinese property markets will collapse. The hedgies will short and short and short. They will short BHP Billiton (BHP - commentary - Trade Now) and Cliffs Natural Resources (CLF - commentary - Trade Now). They will short Peabody (BTU - commentary - Trade Now) and Freeport (FCX - commentary - Trade Now). They will short Bucyrus (BUCY - commentary - Trade Now) and Joy Global (JOYG - commentary - Trade Now).

They might even be right eventually. But "eventually" is the operative word. I have never been willing to short all the way up. I never ran enough money to be able to risk the investors' wrath about why I was not long exactly what I was shorting. Running money is a business, not a theoretical exercise, and most money isn't about to stay put as you short derivative plays off Chinese real estate, even if Chinese real estate runs the course of Japanese real estate.

My strategy was always the same: Wait until it breaks. Wait until the chinks in the armor actually appear. MISS THE FIRST 10% ON THE DOWNSIDE. It isn't worth catching.

Today as I look at my screen all the stocks that are supposed to be peaking are actually roaring. I see not millions being made by investors, but millions being lost by early short-sellers.

The short-sellers are never wrong. What a great position to be in! Long buyers are jokers and always wrong. What a horrible position to be in.

Just giving you the party line as the hedge funds get set for another beating...


Yes, but....
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 9:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Officials used the "b"word yesterday and talked of a "gentle deflation."
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 8:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why post here and not the euro board?

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The data release followed news on Thursday that Germany’s manufacturing orders for December fell 2.3 percent on the month, hit by a drop in foreign demand for goods from Europe’s largest economy.

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