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Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 10:26 pm Post subject: Executive Compensation |
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This will continue to be an area of hot debate for years to come:
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Study shows U.S. bank CEO pay dwarfs rest of world
Wed Sep 23, 2009 10:43am EDT
By Steve Eder
NEW YORK (Reuters) - You wouldn't know it by his pay stubs, but Jiang Jianqing heads the world's largest bank.
Jiang, chairman of Industrial and Commercial Bank of China, made just $234,700 in 2008. That's less than 2 percent of the $19.6 million awarded to Jamie Dimon, chief executive of the world's fourth-largest bank, JPMorgan Chase & Co.
The contrast illustrates the massive differences in pay among the CEOs of the world's top banks. The compensation of the CEOs of the largest U.S. banks towers above what's paid to banking chiefs in other parts of the world, according to a Reuters analysis of pay at the 18 biggest banks by market value.
Excessive compensation at banks is expected to be discussed this week when the Group of 20 nations meets in Pittsburgh. But consensus on the issue remains a distant hope as there continue to be vast differences in how bankers are paid, from the CEO on down.
The United States is home to four of the nine largest banks in the world -- JPMorgan, Bank of America Corp, Wells Fargo & Co and Citigroup Inc. It is also home to four of the six most handsomely rewarded bank CEOs.
"The U.S. executive pay levels have always dwarfed pay for companies elsewhere in the world," said Sarah Anderson, a fellow with the Institute for Policy Studies, which is critical of Wall Street, and co-author of the recent study "America's Bailout Barons."
"They have claimed it is impossible to recruit people without paying such compensation. Yet, if you look at the pay levels in Europe and in a lot of Asian countries, somehow they manage to find people who can run major global firms while making a fraction of what they make in the U.S.," she said.
"BASICALLY NOTHING"
China, for example, boasts three of the world's four biggest banks, yet the leaders of those banks -- Industrial and Commercial Bank of China, China Construction Bank Corp and Bank of China -- are among the lowest paid of those surveyed by Reuters. The chairman and the president of each of the banks are paid roughly $230,000 per year.
"That's basically nothing for the leaders of these huge Chinese financial institutions," said Laura Thatcher, who leads law firm Alston & Bird's executive compensation practice in Atlanta. "I can't imagine why they would work for nothing."
So how, exactly, do the Chinese do it?
The Chinese banks, which are state-controlled, are typically led by bureaucrats appointed by the central government, and executive pay is capped.
Being the head of a Chinese bank does come with perks, just like running a U.S. bank. The top Chinese bank executive gets such non-cash benefits as a car, driver, medical insurance, food and housing. Experts note that many American and European executives receive similar benefits.
Some of the Chinese bank executives may be willing to accept the pay level of a top government official in the hope of moving into a powerful political position in the future.
But the executives also feel the consequences of a global downturn, just like some of the U.S. CEOs who were forced to skip bonuses or accept reduced salaries in the past two years.
ICBC's Jiang took a 10 percent pay cut in 2008, even as ICBC's profit jumped 36 percent to $16.23 billion.
LOST IN TRANSLATION?
Aside from China, all of the banking CEOs included in the survey made at least $1 million last year. Total compensation included publicly disclosed bonuses, stock awards, options and other perks.
HSBC Holdings, the world's third-largest bank by market capitalization, paid CEO Michael Geoghegan $2.8 million in 2008 -- much more than his Chinese counterparts but far less than JPMorgan paid Dimon.
Outside the United States, the highest-paid bank CEO works for Banco Santander SA, which has the seventh-largest market cap and paid Alfredo Saenz $13.66 million for 2008.
Royal Bank of Canada paid Gordon Nixon $9.5 million, while Australian CEOs Ralph Norris of Commonwealth Bank of Australia and Gail Kelly of Westpac Banking Corp made $8 million and $7.4 million, respectively.
Japan's biggest bank, Mitsubishi UFJ, did not release the pay details of its CEO.
Alan Johnson, a Wall Street compensation consultant with Johnson Associates, said much is lost in translation when comparing CEO pay from country to country.
And that will make it difficult for world leaders to find consensus at the G20 summit.
"Different cultures, different disclosures," Johnson said. "It just highlights the difficulty across the world in trying to make far-reaching pay decisions."
To Anderson, though, comparing bank CEO pay around the world makes the issue much more clear-cut.
"These kinds of figures undercut the main argument by the U.S. financial industry lobby that they will lose top talent to competitors in Europe or Asia," Anderson said. |
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Citi...hah! Shareholders, hear us (almost) roar! _________________ Today is the Tomorrow you worried about Yesterday! |
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Maybe it really is, "what the market will bear"--in humility!
http://www.johnkay.com/2012/02/15/basketball-shows-high-banker-pay-not-a-slam-dunk
| Quote: | Perhaps there is some resemblance between the fans who willingly gave their quarters to Chamberlain and the crowds that sell out every Coldplay concert or the enthusiasts, waiting outside the Apple store as it opens, and have made that company the most valuable in the world. But if you placed a box outside the headquarters of Goldman Sachs labelled “for Lloyd Blankfein”, you would probably not find much in it at the end of the day.
Generalisation of the argument requires that the chain of voluntary transactions which leads to the award of a bonus to the chief executive is essentially identical to the single voluntary transaction that passes a coin to Chamberlain. |
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Yeah it's great to able to play with other people's money. And when compensation pushes 75% of revenues who exactly is the shareholder? Answer: bagholder.
The good news is they only have to kill the whales to bring back some kind of balance. _________________ Today is the Tomorrow you worried about Yesterday! |
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Giant Squid with its many tentacles cudda put out just about any number but they to took the loss. Why? Bonus Culture set up for a fall.
RBS cancels Xmas party....if they'd done that three years ago maybe someone would have cut them some slack. _________________ Today is the Tomorrow you worried about Yesterday! |
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Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2011 11:15 am Post subject: |
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In a world of every conceivable ratio this is one number too far:
| Quote: | Corporate lobbyists argue that compiling the numbers will be a huge burden for multinational companies forced to compile information from dozens of incompatible payroll systems and will require reams of explanatory pages in corporate documents.
Plus, they argue, who cares? They say the ratio isn't germane to an investor's decision on whether to buy into a company, though they add inconsistently that it could mislead investors who foolishly compare pay policies at, say, investment banks with those at shoe manufacturers. |
As long as no-one owns stock this will always be a chase.
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-hiltzik-20110821,0,1491024.column _________________ Today is the Tomorrow you worried about Yesterday! |
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Posted: Sun May 29, 2011 6:44 am Post subject: |
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"Consequences" are back in. But I luv this part:
| Quote: | | "I think boards have actually gotten the message," said Patrick McGurn, executive director of Institutional Shareholder Services in Rockville, Md., which advises big investors on say-on-pay ballots and other issues. |
Institutional investors apparently need an independent service to advise them how they "feel" about their champions.
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-executive-pay-20110529,0,4761118.column _________________ Today is the Tomorrow you worried about Yesterday! |
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Just read that H. Paulson was able to skirt the cap-gains tax selling out on his way to Treas Sec. This, by the good graces of senior Bush. Who says public service cannot be lucrative?! _________________ Today is the Tomorrow you worried about Yesterday! |
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Do we really have to leave this to the nuns?!
http://www.economist.com/node/18529845?story_id=18529845
| Quote: | | THE nuns who are challenging Goldman Sachs’s claim to be doing “God’s work”, by bringing a shareholder resolution questioning the bank’s executive-pay policies, are but the tip of an iceberg. Thanks to a “say on pay” clause in last year’s Dodd-Frank financial-reform law, the pay of every senior executive of an American public company is now subject to a shareholder vote. So far in this spring’s corporate annual-meeting season, the management has lost such votes at four firms, the most prominent being Hewlett-Packard, a computing giant. |
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Reaching out of the black-hole of bankruptcy for their bonuses!
Borders Group Inc. is proposing bonus programs for 42 top executives and managers. The book retailer says it already lost 25 “significant corporate employees” since the Chapter 11 case began in mid-February.
The hearing to approve the program is set for April 14.
The chief executive could receive a maximum bonus of almost $1.7 million. The top five executives in total could take home $7.1 million.
For the top five, the bonuses would be 90 percent to 150 percent of base salary, for an average of $623,000. The amount of the bonuses will be determined by when the company files a Chapter 11 plan or sells the business as a going concern. There will be no bonuses for a liquidating plan or a sale of the assets to liquidators. _________________ Today is the Tomorrow you worried about Yesterday! |
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/mar/27/dutch-bankers-bonuses-axed-by-people-power/print
| Quote: | After a furious row over pay packages at Amsterdam-based ING in which thousands of customers threatened to make mass withdrawals, the Netherlands is now vying for the title of Europe's most bonus-hating country.
A growing Dutch political storm could end with a blanket ban on bonuses to financiers who work for institutions bailed out by the taxpayer.
ING customers mobilised on Twitter and other social networks to protest at bonuses paid to bosses at the bank, one of the biggest in the country. The threat of direct action raised the spectre of a partial run on ING, terrifying the Dutch establishment. |
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HSBC's got a new CEO: indicates 55% cost/income ratio ‘unacceptable’ and indicated need to ‘re-engineer.’ _________________ Today is the Tomorrow you worried about Yesterday! |
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