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Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 2:50 am Post subject: Fannie (FNM) and Freddie (FRE) |
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Both stocks bounced substantially since Friday afternoon and will most probably lead the next housing bull cycle, however muted it is (actually, the more muted the better, as long as the pipeline is growing). Now that the jumbo loan market is starting to freeze up as well, senators and regulators alike are entertaining the though of easing the caps of both quasi-government companies.
Following is courtesy of the WSJ:
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Big Fans for Fannie, Freddie Some Lawmakers See
One-Time Pariah Firms As Subprime Salvation
By JAMES R. HAGERTY
August 8, 2007; Page C1
The mortgage-market meltdown isn't over, but it already has produced two clear winners: Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the nation's biggest investors in home loans.
Until recently, politicians in Washington were arguing about how best to rein in the two giant government-sponsored companies, both recovering from accounting scandals and lapses in financial controls. Now, as worry about the housing market trumps accounting scruples, the political debate has shifted to whether Fannie and Freddie need to grow even bigger to buy more loans and calm mortgage investors.
Sen. Christopher Dodd (D., Conn.), chairman of the Senate Banking Committee, yesterday called on the companies' regulator to consider raising the caps placed last year on the amount of mortgages and related securities Fannie and Freddie can hold, as a way of ensuring that plenty of money is available to fund mortgage loans.
Sen. Charles Schumer (D., N.Y.) also called for higher caps. Both Fannie and Freddie are pushing for the same move. A spokeswoman for their regulator, the Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight, or Ofheo, said the agency will respond to the senators shortly.
Fannie's shares gained 3.1% to close at $64.43 on the New York Stock Exchange yesterday, while Freddie was up 2.7% to $61.64.
The two stocks have held steady over the past month amid anxiety over mortgage defaults, while shares of Countrywide Financial Corp., the nation's largest home-mortgage lender, have fallen 27%.
Fannie and Freddie are benefiting because investors are still happy to buy the mortgage securities they create, backed by loans purchased from lenders scattered across the country. The two companies collect fees for guaranteeing the interest and principal payments on the loans backing those securities. Although Fannie and Freddie are private-sector companies, they were created by Congress to funnel money into housing, and investors assume that Congress would bail them out in a crisis.
Sticking With Uncle Sam
With loan defaults rising and house prices falling, investors now are shunning, at least temporarily, mortgage securities packaged by Wall Street firms and others that don't have any implied backing from Uncle Sam. That makes it hard for lenders to find buyers for loans that can't be sold to Fannie and Freddie. Regulations prevent them from buying loans of more than $417,000 on single-family homes, and they have stricter standards on down payments and verification of income than were imposed by Wall Street during the housing boom.
The result is a spike in rates on some types of loans that can't be sold to Fannie or Freddie, such as prime, 30-year, fixed-rate jumbo loans, those above $417,000. Yesterday, the average rate on such loans was 7.44%, according to a survey by financial publishers HSH Associates. That's 0.84 percentage point higher than the average rate on "conforming" loans, those that meet Fannie and Freddie's standards. Typically over the past decade, the premium paid for jumbo loans has been around 0.20 to 0.30 point.
Even middle-class people often pay $500,000 to $700,000 for a humdrum home in high-cost areas. So the higher rates on jumbo loans could be "devastating" for the housing market in some areas, says Michael Menatian, president of Sanborn Mortgage Corp., a mortgage bank in West Hartford, Conn.
As lenders recoil from riskier types of mortgages, "we're turning a lot of people away now," says Jeff Lazerson, chief executive of Mortgage Grader, a mortgage broker in Laguna Niguel, Calif.
Many investors hope that alarm over the housing market will induce Ofheo to ease restraints on Fannie and Freddie.
But Joshua Rosner, an analyst at the New York research boutique Graham Fisher & Co., describes as "mass delusion" the idea that they can save the day for investors exposed to billions of dollars of ill-advised home loans now heading toward foreclosure. For one thing, he says, Ofheo has required Fannie and Freddie to follow stricter standards, recently imposed by banking regulators, in assessing borrowers' ability to repay. So they can't buy up loads of reckless loans to speculators or people failing to pay bills.
Richard Syron, chief executive of Freddie, agrees that there are limits to what his company can do. "Neither we nor anyone else can buy at par loans that probably shouldn't have been made in the first place," he says.
Freddie's Limited Help
Mr. Syron says Freddie can provide funding to refinance many subprime borrowers stuck with loans due to reset to sharply higher monthly payments, but not most of them. In addition, he says, Freddie could help the market by buying and holding more mortgage securities packaged by Wall Street if the cap on its holdings rises.
Fannie and Freddie may be able to buy subprime mortgage securities at discounts that more than make up for the credit risk, Kenneth Posner, an analyst at Morgan Stanley, said in a research note. They also may be able to charge more for providing guarantees on securities sold to others, he said: "We can't imagine anyone complaining -- right now there's no other game in town."
The flight of other investors from the mortgage market "does show the role and the need" for Freddie and Fannie to act as steady providers of mortgage funding, Mr. Syron says. Still, he says, Freddie isn't gloating: "You don't want to take a lot of joy in other people's suffering."
Write to James R. Hagerty at bob.hagerty@wsj.com |
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rffrydr Moderator


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Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 7:30 am Post subject: |
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| HenryTo wrote: | | ....an intermediate bottom last week in light of the “bailout” of the GSEs. Assuming Congress provides a good-sized lifeline to the GSEs (my sense is that we need a minimum lifeline of $500 billion; $300 billion isn't going to cut it | [/quote]
Master H., could you expand on that a little? _________________ Today is the Tomorrow you worried about Yesterday! |
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Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 11:54 am Post subject: |
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There were some 130 mil stocks FNM short selled as early as of Monday this week...Thats 15% of all outstanding, i dont how much of the float..
The best strategy in crisis like this is to buy time ... And Paulson, Cox and Bernanke did it in the best way possible I suppose
Economy recovers sooner or later... there is no major war, BRIC is just at the start of a huge development, and US population is growing thus proping up the housing market some day ..
Crash in US markets would bring this country to a deflationary Depression and that would be a disaster for the whole world .... who cares if some speculators get burned..
BTW how can you sell something what you dont have at disposal at all ... or borrowing the same thing to several people at the same time? |
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lewie2004 Veteran Poster

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Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 10:18 am Post subject: |
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| I tried to sell short 30 share of fnm with etrade just to see if they would let me. they said they were unable to borrow the shares and short selling in this security was not allowed. |
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Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 10:00 am Post subject: |
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There is a truely wierd situation going on with F&F. It looks like a classic manipulative twist to get the stock prices up.
As I understand it, no naked shorts will be allowed come monday morning. When I have shorted stocks in the past, I assumed that FIDO would lend them to me or arrange to borrow the stock on my behalf.
Just for kicks, I called them and awh gee, there is no stock to borrow. I'm assuming that come monday morning, a lot of shorts are going to be bought in without permission.
Interesting that Treasury didn't have to buy an equity stake to support the stocks. All they had to do was arm twist others not to lend them.
Bill Siedman, an old hero of mine said it best. Paraphrased "Paulson is running Treasury like he used to run Goldman. He's trying to make his numbers for next year." He also offered the observation that the bailout of F&F may work in the short term but it will be a disaster down the road. This is the guy that did the work outs and ran the RTC. _________________ Psychic with Alzheimers. I can predict what I will forget. |
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That's exactly the tact the Russians have been taking (sold 22billion treas bought 34 billion agencies)...do they deserve to be so lucky? _________________ Today is the Tomorrow you worried about Yesterday! |
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Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:32 pm Post subject: |
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Rogers is short FNM, FRE, would you expect any other statements ...
| Quote: | ROGERS: Carol, since I have been coming on your program, I have been short all the investment banks. I have been short Citibank, I have been short Fannie Mae, I am still short every one of them. I will cover them all some day, but some day is a long way from now.
MASSAR: Jim, a viewer e-mailed me last night, actually e-mailed Bloomberg, happens to be a mortgage banker and his question was for you. He is wondering if you covered your shorts Friday, especially in Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac?
ROGERS: No, I have not covered my shorts. Obviously I should have, because you know they already are up 50 percent or something since then. If they go up a whole lot more, I will short more. They are basically insolvent. There is no question about that. |
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=apEivHJhf1vE |
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Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 4:03 pm Post subject: |
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Barton Biggs disagrees with Rogers.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=a5GYUti82O0s&refer=home
| Quote: | Anyone who says the mortgage-finance companies should be left to fail is ``silly,'' hedge fund manager Barton Biggs said in an interview on Bloomberg Television from New York.
``Fannie and Freddie are way too big and way too big a part of the mortgage system and really the American way of life to say `Just let them go bankrupt,''' said Biggs, a former Morgan Stanley strategist who now runs the hedge fund Traxis Partners LLC. ``The Treasury, in my view, is doing the right thing.'' |
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Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 11:26 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | Who Owns GSE and Agency Debt?
By Tony Crescenzi
RealMoney.com Contributor
7/14/2008 11:32 AM EDT
Click here for more stories by Tony Crescenzi
Data from the Federal Reserve's quarterly flow of funds report indicate that at the end of the first quarter of this year, foreign investors were the largest holders of debt securities issued by U.S. agencies and government-sponsored enterprises.
The data highlight the immense international political and economic pressures that exist for the U.S. government to back Fannie Mae (FNM - commentary - Cramer's Take) and Freddie Mac (FRE - commentary - Cramer's Take). The banking and personal sectors were also major holders.
At the end of the first quarter of 2008, foreign investors held $1.54 trillion of debt issued by agencies and GSEs, which was about $500 billion more than the next largest holder, commercial banks, although the household sector's exposure was also vast when combining direct holdings of $844 billion with $900 billion of mutual fund holdings, as well as pension fund holdings of $269 billion, $324 billion of holdings by state and local retirement fund holdings and $391 billion of holdings by life insurance companies.
Highlighting the risk to municipalities, state and local governments held $431 billion. Securities brokers and dealers held $268 billion, and savings and loan institutions held $324 billion. |
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Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 4:41 pm Post subject: |
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Full text of Paulson's speech today on the GSEs:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aNHPA3k7pAAQ&refer=home
| Quote: | Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac play a central role in our housing finance system and must continue to do so in their current form as shareholder-owned companies. Their support for the housing market is particularly important as we work through the current housing correction.
GSE debt is held by financial institutions around the world. Its continued strength is important to maintaining confidence and stability in our financial system and our financial markets. Therefore we must take steps to address the current situation as we move to a stronger regulatory structure. In recent days, I have consulted with the Federal Reserve, OFHEO, the SEC, Congressional leaders of both parties and with the two companies to develop a three-part plan for immediate action. The President has asked me to work with Congress to act on this plan immediately.
First, as a liquidity backstop, the plan includes a temporary increase in the line of credit the GSEs have with Treasury. Treasury would determine the terms and conditions for accessing the line of credit and the amount to be drawn.
Second, to ensure the GSEs have access to sufficient capital to continue to serve their mission, the plan includes temporary authority for Treasury to purchase equity in either of the two GSEs if needed.
Use of either the line of credit or the equity investment would carry terms and conditions necessary to protect the taxpayer. Third, to protect the financial system from systemic risk going forward, the plan strengthens the GSE regulatory reform legislation currently moving through Congress by giving the Federal Reserve a consultative role in the new GSE regulator's process for setting capital requirements and other prudential standards.
I look forward to working closely with the Congressional leaders. |
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