Iran - Real enemy of the west

[Goodfella]

TEHRAN, Iran - Iran's hard-line president called for Israel to be "wiped off the map" and said a new wave of Palestinian attacks will destroy the Jewish state, state-run media reported Wednesday.



Mahmoud Ahmadinejad also denounced attempts to recognize Israel or normalize relations with it.

"There is no doubt that the new wave (of attacks) in Palestine will wipe off this stigma (Israel) from the face of the Islamic world," Ahmadinejad told students Wednesday during a Tehran conference called "The World without Zionism."

"Anybody who recognizes Israel will burn in the fire of the Islamic nation's fury, any (Islamic leader) who recognizes the Zionist regime means he is acknowledging the surrender and defeat of the Islamic world," Ahmadinejad said.

Ahmadinejad also repeated the words of the founder of Iran's Islamic revolution, Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, who called for the destruction of Israel.

"As the Imam said, Israel must be wiped off the map," said Ahmadinejad, who came to power in August.

Ahmadinejad referred to Israel's recent withdrawal from the Gaza Strip as a "trick," saying Gaza is part of the Palestinian territories and the withdrawal was meant to make Islamic states acknowledge Israel.

[PonderThis]

I will be very surprised if the U.S. doesn't invade Iran by the end of 2007.
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[nodoodahs]

IMO UK and OZ press has better read on US politics than US press - US reporters are generally a bunch of boot-licking sycophants that substitute a dutiful transcription of government press statements in lieu of actual investigative reporting ...

I don't know about UK or OZ political reporting, but every presidential event in the US is carefully scripted; questions from the audience are known in advance and the audience members are plants, supporters, donators, etc.; press that ask actual probing questions during conferences are barred admittance from future conferences or at least ignored during future conferences; protestors are allowed only in carefully placed Orwellian-titled "free speech zones" that are so far away from the actual event, attendees and the president won't see or hear them ... americans are, as a class, generally the least-informed denizens of the industrialized world. If you don't have an internet connection and you don't use it often to get foreign and alternative viewpoints, and you live in america, you are a mushroom when it comes to world events.
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[Goodfella]

Must be a damn good reason why Iraq was invaded. Like the attempted assassination of Bush senior by Saddam.Or an easy target serving as a warning to other countries.

Would be nice to know what goes on behind closed doors in America. In the UK Press usually manage to dig the truth out + goverment is relativley transparent.


PS N korea...... Interesting

[nodoodahs]

Conflict is conflict. It's better there than here, however. NIMBY.

Iran has been on the neocon "hit list" for a while now, along with Syria and North Korea. I'm convinced that NK has "the bomb" because the U.S. shut up about them already, which is the surest sign in the world that they do.

I am amazed daily at the incompetence of U.S. foreign policy. I think it interesting that Shrub and the neocons are following the exact type of policy that Usama wanted, i.e. overthrow of a fairly secular Iraqi regime and replacement with an Islamic-dominated government that already has extended "warm and fuzzies" to Iran. Likewise the various steps they've taken have alienated the House of Saud in the ME, and Usama was no fan of them, either. Usama couldn't have scripted the U.S. reaction any better. Likewise, stupid decisions during the occupation, like using Saddam's palace for a command post and using his old Abu Ghraib prison as a prison - basically just playing the tune "meet the new boss/same as the old boss" ...

The U.S. has moved into fourth generation war but unfortunately only has a second generation army to fight it with. We can't handle an occupation in a country much smaller than Iran, despite the fact that the people there mostly hated their old regime and despite the fact that the U.S. had been bombing and starving them to death for 12 years before the invasion! Anyone who thinks the U.S. military can handle Iran is in for a rude awakening ...

Lind's work is great in exposing the military errors of our present situation. Antiwar is fantastic for collecting viewpoints from all areas of the world. I especially love Karen's work on both the 9/11 commission and the inside view of the neocon's takeover of the Pentagon.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/lind/lind-arch.html
http://www.antiwar.com
http://www.lewrockwell.com/kwiatkowski/kwiatkowski129.html
http://www.lewrockwell.com/kwiatkowski/kwiatkowski88.html
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[Goodfella]

Totally agree with you. However i'm an uberbear. Conflict is good.




BERLIN (Reuters) - Iran is permitting around 25 high-ranking al Qaeda members to roam free in the country's capital, including three sons of Osama bin Laden, a German monthly magazine reported on Wednesday.

Citing information from unnamed Western intelligence sources, the magazine Cicero said in a preview of an article appearing in its November edition that the individuals in question are from Egypt, Uzbekistan, Saudi Arabia and Europe.

They are living in houses belonging to Iran's Revolutionary Guards, the report said.

"This is not incarceration or house arrest," a Western intelligence agent was quoted as saying. "They can move around as they please."

The three sons of Osama bin Laden in Iran are Saeed, Mohammad and Othman, Cicero reported. Another person enjoying the support of the Revolutionary Guards is al Qaeda spokesman Abu Ghaib, the report said.

Iran first said late last year that it had arrested and would try a number of foreigners suspected of having links to al Qaeda, a loose network of military groups that Washington blames for the attacks of September 11, 2001 and bomb attacks in Spain, Indonesia, Egypt and elsewhere.

The report in Cicero also accused the Revolutionary Guards' secret service of offering logistical support and military training to senior al Qaeda leaders.

Iran has repeatedly denied any link to or support of al Qaeda.

Britain and the United States suspect Iran of supporting insurgents in Iraq, a charge Tehran has vehemently denied.




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[nodoodahs]

I'm sure that many Persians (Iranians are Persian, not Arab) as well as Arabs see Israel as a straw man in the Western plan to dominate the Middle East because of its oil reserves. Israel's existence as a nation today is due to Western interference, its creation going back to the settlement of WWII. It is only one of many Western nation-building attempts since WWI, when the state of Iraq was formed. The present boundaries of Israel were defined by a series of aggressive wars, and several territories have been occupied by Israeli forces since their aggressive war in 1967.

Trivia: the first name of BP was "the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company."

U.S. aid to Israel over the last few years has ranged between $2.8 and $4 billion, not including loan guarantees. This is about 2.2%-3.1% of Israel's estimated 2004 GDP. Considering that Israel spends about 8.7% of GDP on its military, and the U.S. aid is 75%-80% devoted to military spending, it seems that an observer might view the Israeli military as an extension of the U.S. presence there ...

U.S. aid to Israel is around 1/3 of total U.S. foreign aid, even though the country has only about 1/10th of a percent of the world's population (or 1/8th of a percent of the world's population excluding the U.S.). Israel also has a per capita GDP in the top 20, so it's not as if it's a suffering, poor nation in need of humanitarianism.

Heck, I'm a westerner and I see Israel as a straw man in a Western plan to dominate the Middle East in order to control the oil! The only thing is, in politics, those straw man nations don't always behave the way their benefactors would like. Ask Saddam, who was a straw man for the U.S. from about the late 1950's until 1990, albeit mostly benefiting from the U.S. relationship in the 1980's when he was at war with Iran. Or, ask the Shah (oh wait, can't ask him, he's dead now), who was put into power by a CIA-funded coup and kept a bloody reign going until 1979. He had "torture houses" and "rape rooms" as well as a KGB-like secret security force, but since he was a faithful U.S. vassal it was OK and the U.S. had no interest in "furthering the cause of democracy" by overthrowing him.

If you empathize with the situation of the Arabs or Persians, who have seen their nations basically be pawns of the superpowers for control of the oil over the last 90 years or so, it's easy to understand their resentments, and understand how they might justify their actions in their own minds. The West has spent a century sowing blood and manipulation in the Middle East, and now comes the bitter harvest.

Hosea 8:7 For they have sown the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind: it hath no stalk: the bud shall yield no meal: if so be it yield, the strangers shall swallow it up.

Job 4:8 Even as I have seen, they that plow iniquity, and sow wickedness, reap the same.

Galatians 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

http://www.odci.gov/cia/publications/factbook/print/is.html
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/US-Israel/U.S._Assistance_to_Israel1.html
http://www.militaryweek.com/kk122304.shtml
http://www.wrmea.com/html/us_aid_to_israel.htm
http://antiwar.com/hacohen/
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