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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 6:58 am    Post subject: Municipal Bond Market Reply with quote

Henry and others
Is there a big problem with the muni bond market. On cnbc this morning they were talking about it as if it could lose big money. I know bill gross is investing big into the muni bond market and it's done well this year thus far.
Is there a problem that you know of or is it just continued speculation?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 10:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice overview from Iris Lav:

http://media.bloomberg.com/bb/avfile/Economics/On_Economy/vMLlspoMO8EA.mp3

There are no good states: maybe indiana--but you wouldn't want to live there.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Morningstar on the potential dislocations in the municipal bond market - and by extension, the P&C insurers:

http://news.morningstar.com/articlenet/article.aspx?id=297660

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The arsenal of stimulus programs seemingly has stemmed the tide of capital market disasters and some think "green shoots" are taking root. But a new problem, perhaps even more daunting, is popping up: Municipalities across the U.S. have deep budgetary problems and the chance of default on their bonds grows every day. Recent estimates put the State of California budget deficit in excess of $24 billion, about a quarter of the size of the total budget, a shortfall that must be addressed in the next 30 days. What's more, while California has become the poster child for the problem, many other state and local governments are in the same fix. Some estimates put the total shortfall for all state budgets at almost $170 billion.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 11:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The bellwether: munis are pricing in a govt backstop...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/15/AR2009061503249.html?hpid=topnews
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 12:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2009 7:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Auto Dealer's knock-on effects:

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-dealers14-2009may14,0,1882072.story

Often the local dealer is the biggest single contributor to the tax base and supporter of local sports and charities.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 9:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"The People," AKA Apple, fight back:

http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/11/20/new-iphone-apps-help-drivers-beat-speed-traps/?scp=4&sq=iphone%20apps&st=cse
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2009 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What possible reason for posting this link here?


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123811365190053401.html
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 8:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The pension-funded black hole:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=alwTE0Z5.1EA

A brief scan of the legal posts in yesterday's LA Times shows two such cases.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 5:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Legalize it:


http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/01/us/01sin.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=legalize%20marijuana&st=cse
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 12:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote



Liscio report courtesy this week's Mauldin.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 07, 2009 7:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

WAR!

http://www.sacbee.com/capitolandcalifornia/story/1600656.html?mi_rss=Our+Region
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 7:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

...And so it goes, even unto the highest court in the land:


http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-courts22-2008dec22,0,387609.story
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 7:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Got that call right:

http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=PZC&p=D&b=5&g=0&id=p54714705331

Gotta buy it now though. Even though munis WILL go BK in this crunch (alamaba defaults on sewer bonds yesterday) you gotta think Pimco did a pretty good screen. And then at these prices....

http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=PZC&p=D&b=5&g=0&id=p54714705331
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In defense of munis--which I still wouldn't buy but have noticed plenty of 30+ percentage leveraged CEFs still out there swinging (including PIMCO). This way you can get a little more out of that Zippo lighter:

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Investors demand safety in a market like this. But what are your options? Short-term Treasury yields remain below 1%. Longer-term Treasury bonds yield more, but with good reason. The cost of the Treasury-led bailout of the financial system will be borne by Treasury bond buyers. And if the dollar continues to weaken, that will also weigh on long-term Treasury prices.

Municipal bonds are a much better choice for safety-conscious investors. Right now, 10-year tax-exempt municipals are generally available with yields in the 4% area, slightly more nominal yield than Treasury bonds. Historically, the ratio of muni yields to Treasuries has been about 80%.

Why are municipals currently so cheap? There are a few reasons. Retail investors have been redeeming mutual fund shares -- in part due to panic, in part due to a desire to have more control over their investments, and in part due to legitimate concerns over municipal credit quality. Mutual funds have no choice but to sell in the face of these resumptions, regardless of value.

In "normal" times, dealer desks are the liquidity providers in the municipal market. Given that large mutual funds are valued customers, dealer firms are usually anxious to provide good bids. But dealers are currently hoarding cash themselves, only bidding bonds when they have another customer in hand to buy the bonds. Forced sellers + weak market-makers = significant price declines.

But these price declines create opportunities for those who can buy.

Consider that municipal yields are typically about 80% of Treasury yields. That implies that "fair" value for a 10-year municipal is around 3.12%. If prices were to revert to their historic norms, municipals would enjoy a 7% price improvement. On top of this, tax rates are very likely to rise, even if McCain wins the election. In the long run, the bailout of Wall Street will cost taxpayers, and taxes will consequently have to rise. That will be very supportive of municipal bonds. This gives one good reason to expect that municipal bonds can move toward historic averages in the near term.

Compare this with corporate bonds. Corporate bonds are clearly "cheap" compared with historic norms, but are we likely to revisit those norms anytime soon? Even giving a very favorable view of the Treasury plan, the real economy remains shaky. And even after the economy eventually recovers, I believe we should expect corporate bond spreads to remain above average for an extended period. Maybe corporate bond prices will improve in the near term, but it remains a risky bet.

In municipals, it's relatively easy to find bonds relatively unexposed to the real estate markets. Sure, tax collections generally fall during periods of weaker economics. But most states collect little, if any, property taxes. Beyond that, many municipal issuers -- including hospitals, water and sewer systems, universities, mass transportation, etc. -- are not particularly exposed to the economy in general. There aren't a lot of corporate bonds for which one can make the same claim.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 10:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Crossing the "t"s and forgetting the "i's":

http://www.bondbuyer.com/article.html?id=20080902HI85497S
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