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rffrydr Moderator


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Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 9:56 am Post subject: |
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401Ks...."Back to Even" was the goal--and maybe the thrust of the selloff?
When's the axe going to fall on the "missing" $1.3T in mortgage write-offs? I'll stick my neck out and say it's a small, tiny fraction of that. We should have learned by now that the market is always wrong. Indeed the very fact that so many homeowners held onto their homes despite all "rationality" has gone far to underpin CDO residuals that have long been written off as "toxic." --Thus becoming a "nutrient." A home is far more than an "asset"...it is the nest...it is the "american dream"...it's the american housewife's "gold"--and the yoke on her husband. And it's a depression so there really weren't any options to move to anyway (S. Dakota proving the rule).
Maybe it's not the retirement savings account once believed (even though many believe that still is the case) but throw on top of all this the perceived prospect of never being able to finance another home and...what do you know? A market "anomaly."
Additionally, these numbers are flattered by all who walked away during year-plus foreclosure proceedings which didn't reflect on their macro liabilities as well as all the private/public "work-outs" thru tertiary holders of mortgages.
The cherry on top is all the soured mortgages financed by, yes, the Germans. DB, IKB, Comedybank... how much of that writeoff is the currency effect of the "Great Bearded Dove dollar depreciation." _________________ Today is the Tomorrow you worried about Yesterday! |
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rffrydr Moderator


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Posted: Wed May 11, 2011 6:59 am Post subject: |
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401K plans back to even.
And, on the other side of the balance sheet, "The Number" has been relegated to the scapheap of Boomer history. For those comfortable in their "homes" it's a happier world.  _________________ Today is the Tomorrow you worried about Yesterday! |
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rffrydr Moderator


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Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 11:17 am Post subject: |
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Picked this one off wsj.com today:
| Quote: | | With the help of rising stock prices, the decrease in debts put average household net worth at $505,000 at the end of 2010, up 5.1% from 2009, though still well below a peak of $595,000 in the second quarter of 2007, before housing prices plunged. |
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rffrydr Moderator


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rffrydr Moderator


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Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 9:54 am Post subject: |
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Consumer potential deleveraging is probably overstated--boomers have their own private bailout fund, daddy:
http://www.allbusiness.com/personal-finance/446846-1.html
This is particularly true as THE leverage problem is the family home. Families will be brought closer and the asset is believed in by the folks. And in actuarial terms, we're now in the sweet spot when it comes to dying. Steinbrenner lead the way! _________________ Today is the Tomorrow you worried about Yesterday! |
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rffrydr Moderator


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rffrydr Moderator


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Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 8:15 am Post subject: |
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rffrydr Moderator


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Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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Of peaks and Valleys and the ruler we use to measure them:
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/9a26665c-fe11-11de-9340-00144feab49a.html
Of course, GDP is any ruler but a straight one. Before the War it didn't exist---but you get the idea. _________________ Today is the Tomorrow you worried about Yesterday! |
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rffrydr Moderator


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Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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1st gain in two years shows just how far along we are in this process. _________________ Today is the Tomorrow you worried about Yesterday! |
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HenryTo Site Admin


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goldbug Junior Poster

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Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 10:07 pm Post subject: savings to gdp ratio |
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| i would like to add that while savings are low compared to today's gdp, as savings increase and gdp descreases, it may come back to average levels sooner. |
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goldbug Junior Poster

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Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 9:37 pm Post subject: DEF-flation - better get used it |
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| US Consumer Debt has to be paid off. Prechter explained this easy money - credit bubble problem in 2002 in his book Conquer the Crash. I read it and everything it said came true, in details. Except that he thought FED would not go to this extreme to save banks, risking it's own balance sheet to junk status. But now Prechter is discussing the latest FED action too and it seems FED will not be able to save the day after all. Food for thought: http://www.tradingstocks.net/html/the_last_bastion.html |
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rffrydr Moderator


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Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 1:05 pm Post subject: |
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Well it's kicking in:
The rise in US personal savings
Published: June 24 2009 09:23 | Last updated: June 24 2009 15:51
Want to to know why US house prices are still tumbling and shops are vanishing from the high street? Check out the first quarter flow of funds data from the Federal Reserve. Personal funds were still pouring into real estate as recently as the third quarter of 2007. After that, when house prices really began to tank, net expenditure on housing drained out at a quarterly rate of between 4 and 8 per cent. During the first quarter of 2008, it dropped 13 per cent.
The data also show that Americans are finally waking up to the reality of saving. In spite of the recession kicking off over 18 months ago, personal financial flows only turned positive in the fourth quarter. Partly as a result, aggregate financial savings jumped from $90bn to $320bn this quarter, the biggest number in decades.
Even so, that rate of savings is equivalent to only 2.3 per cent of gross domestic product, having been almost twice that level during the 1990s recession and more than 6 per cent in the early 1980s. That is bad news for consumption, especially as the move to a savings culture is happening so late. In the first quarter, the ratio of gross household debt to disposable incomes fell only 2 percentage points to a still-whopping 127 per cent. At the current rate of saving – and assuming no change to incomes – it would still take 14 years to shrink the debt ratio to its average of 88 per cent since 1974.
That would be a long, nasty grind, increasing savings overall by a massive one third of gross domestic product. But it is just as likely that suffering consumers will start saving with even more verve. While that may be good for household balance sheets, it paints a grim scenario for the broader economy. _________________ Today is the Tomorrow you worried about Yesterday! |
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rffrydr Moderator


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Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 9:49 am Post subject: |
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Last quarter overview courtesy "The Church of the Second Derivative."
http://macro-man.blogspot.com/2009/06/what-if.html
http://macro-man.blogspot.com/
| Quote: | | .....The first is that households' nominal Treasury holdings remain comfortably below their all-time highs notched in the mid-90's, suggesting that there is ample room for households to buy more. The second is that the Q1 quarterly rise in household Treasury holdings was nearly as large as the top three quarterly rises in Fed custody holdings for central banks combined. |
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