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vin Senior Poster

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Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 8:35 pm Post subject: DEADShort term sentimentsDEAD |
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New here – mostly swing trading. I’ve been searching for a serious site and believe I have found it here. Mr. To’s commentaries are excellent. Let’s cut to it - I for one am spooked short term (1-3 weeks). Here are my reasons:
First, the current rally just doesn’t seem to have teeth. The move up on June 29 seemed exaggerated. It was just a big ‘Hurrah, the Fed did what we expected.’ Many read a future pause into Bernanke’s statement but who knows? It’s almost as if the market ‘willed’ a rally.
Second, after this delayed follow through day the major indexes responded with a pullback on increased volume (modest in percentage loss).
Third, two days prior (June 27th) all three indices had what I call a ‘heave day.’ They climbed over the previous day’s high only to close lower than the previous day’s low – all on increased volume.
Fourth, there was no doubt some end of the quarter window dressing and short covering.
What has happened since? Some call it consolidation; I call it distribution and selling into bounces. The accumulation volume has been anemic. Although the holiday week clouds things the leading events remain.
Lastly, the most important thing is the gut. Something makes me feel very uneasy (see below). Maybe it was the synthesis of what I mentioned above; maybe I am worried about locking in gains on this recent move up. Nevertheless, I liquidated everything except LEN as I don’t think homebuilders can get beat up much more (gee, wonder where I got that idea?).
North Korea lobbing missiles into the sea doesn’t help. I think there will be one more shakeout before we test old highs again. I don’t know if we’ll sink to (or below) the mid-June lows, but it could be painful. Predictions are pretty much worthless until events transpire. I’m only building an arguable case. The market doesn’t care or need reasons to steamroll every naysayer out there. Let the tape decide.
Side note: I was reading my Bible before the market opened and came across these verses:
“With her enticing speech she caused him to yield, with her flattering lips she seduced him. Immediately he went after her, as an ox goes to the slaughter, or as a fool to the correction of the stocks…” Proverbs 7:21-22
I don’t claim to have divine intervention on my side, and starting my day with this verse might have been what spooked me. Take it for what it’s worth, but the wording in this verse is uncanny in its application to bulls running up a blind (r)alley. The Bible remains the best book on investing ever written (not to mention the invaluable spiritual content). If you don’t have one, get one. |
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rffrydr Moderator


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Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 10:35 am Post subject: |
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WSJ notes that there is a mountain of leveraged loans outstanding. The table shows almost $500 bln up from $100 bln in 1999. _________________ Today is the Tomorrow you worried about Yesterday! |
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rffrydr Moderator


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Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 10:14 am Post subject: |
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One doesn't follow the other even though it has.
We get so "oversold" so fast because the market has never been so indexed to itself, compounded by compound leverage deep and wide. There's alot more room than you think in that bottom 10% of your oscillator.
The big leveraged hedgefund shorts like OSTK et. al. might be an interesting long here...if you HAVE to go long. _________________ Today is the Tomorrow you worried about Yesterday! |
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dash Veteran Poster

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Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 7:48 am Post subject: |
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Hi Lion Hunter,
| Quote: | | However, readings below 20 normally present after a sizeable correction. The spx is still at very elevated levels and yet we have a reading sub 20. Is this not a cause for concern? |
Yes, maybe. What has struck me recently is how quickly the market gets oversold, as measured by this and other indicators I follow. This has meant short, sharp corrections, like the one we had in March, but which don't go very far, as the market has tended to bounce each time it's happened. It will be interesting to see if this happens again; if it doesn't then something about the character of the market will have changed, and we could be in for a more prolonged drop.
| Quote: | | I use $NYHL. How does this differ from $RHNYA ? |
$NYHL looks like the raw data to me, and $RHNYA has been rescaled (0 to 100) so it makes the readings easier to compare.
| Quote: | | Im somewhat troubled by the negative reading on $NYHL that last 2 days. |
I generally use it as a contrarian indicator, so I was somewhat encouraged. This, A/D, 3-day adjusted TICK, % of stocks above 20DMA, all put in very oversold readings Thursday, which normally suggests a significant low, so again if we don't get a nice rally (after a possible retest of the low) then that would be much more troubling for me. |
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lion hunter Senior Poster

Joined: 27 Mar 2006 Posts: 108
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Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 4:45 am Post subject: |
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Thanks Dash.
I can see the correlation. However, readings below 20 normally present after a sizeable correction. The spx is still at very elevated levels and yet we have a reading sub 20. Is this not a cause for concern?
I use $NYHL. How does this differ from $RHNYA ?
Im somewhat troubled by the negative reading on $NYHL that last 2 days. |
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dash Veteran Poster

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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 2:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Reading on NYHL is mega bearish. |
I follow the NYSE New Highs - New Lows quite closely. Over the last 3 years (you'll need to adjust the time periods on the chart), readings below 20 have been good buying opportunities: 03/05, 10/05, 07/06.
http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=%24RHNYA |
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lion hunter Senior Poster

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Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 9:44 am Post subject: |
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Market internals look terminal to me.
Reading on NYHL is mega bearish. Couldnt even climb into positive territory after Fridays dead cat rally. TRIN flashing sell signals as well.
13500 on Monday morning and I put my really short shorts on. |
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rffrydr Moderator


Joined: 30 Oct 2005 Posts: 7645 Location: Sunny California
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 10:22 pm Post subject: |
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The ChartOth'day got's something for us Diesel:
http://www.chartoftheday.com/20070608.htm?T
Any street-level reaction to NZ bump? You are now known as the "Butterfly Effect."
I've gone 180 on commodity currencies a couple weeks back when China selloff got NO reaction. The operating idea of China lowering[i] increase[i]
in treasury purchases (as flipside and natural consequence of decision at perfect Trillion to no longer build treasure hoard). In this case higher rates will only attract at a lag. Also off-the-cuff remark by Japanese official that Yen is now only (read, where it should be) where it was just before the Plaza Accord.
I still think there are prospects for much tigher policy than discounted and that high rates will be detrimental to commodities. On the other side the Fed will cut steeper, later than expected. Will consider selling Aussie calls on spike...but those are surprisingly illiquid. Somebody's worried or they wouldn't be taking endruns through Russian media on US Steel
Peso was one good indicator of turn today. The mantra has been that 5.25% back June didn't bother the market is being taken and run with: "is that all you got." I think we've got something more. _________________ Today is the Tomorrow you worried about Yesterday! |
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diesel Moderator


Joined: 05 Oct 2006 Posts: 412 Location: Australia & New Zealand
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Im still in the bear bunker and my conviction is stronger than ever. I think we are going to see our 10% correction this summer. Rffrydr said it for me, this volatility is a good indication of a top. That said I expect this to be a grinding decline making it difficult to trade. Nuetral may be a good place to be IMO, and other than a few puts and currency plays thats where Im putting my money. |
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nodoodahs Moderator

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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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Models still all bullish. I would have liked that other dollar on the SPY limit, though. Would be in the money and not near it on that trade. _________________ He was wearing my Harvard tie. Can you believe it? My Harvard tie. Like oh, sure, HE went to Harvard. |
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krips Junior Poster

Joined: 07 Jun 2007 Posts: 35
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 5:01 pm Post subject: I call next week to be an up week |
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| I call next week to be an up week. Friday is Options Expiration. |
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nonzero Newbie

Joined: 12 May 2007 Posts: 18
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 2:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Consensus seems to point to a 5% correction, we are half way there. But that's just too obvious, consensus seldom works out. Most likely we're gonna see either more than 5% correction or reversal right from here. Nobody knows for sure. All depends on how market forces play out in the next couple of days. |
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dash Veteran Poster

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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 1:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | The NYSE ARMS closed at 1.57 today - definitely not oversold enough and is suggesting that there should be more downside to go over the next few weeks. |
True, but breadth yesterday hit an extreme negative (11 to 1). So another 95% down volume day, and the 10th worst A/D in 10yrs according to Ticker Sense (no guarantee that's accurate!).
Seems like we're seeing quite a number of extremes recently. Not sure if that's good or portends a major drop??
Bottoms normally get tested, and given the extent of the negative breadth yesterday, it's likely that if/when the test comes it will happen with less of an extreme (like we saw on the March re-test), thus setting up for a more sustainable bounce. At least that's my best guess. Suggests to me that Bill and krips may have made the correct call. |
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rffrydr Moderator


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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 10:34 pm Post subject: |
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They call it a bear, Goodfella. 'cause we hibernate. Good to hear from you. Our time is short, my Goodman, we try to make the most of it. The forward march of humanity, or (at least evermore humans) stand against us.
I'm not crying...saved my commitment for the top. To the hour, my brothers--as with last Feb. (the All-Seeing eye sees all ) Sunday night after that monster comeback by the Shanghai the DAX started to fail--beholden to nothing not even a metaphor of a market. --Right in there on your coat-tails, Diesel.
Russell spread still leaves ~50K naked and one or two relative points on the futures adds up. And the fatal emini is profitable! Had that sick feeling in my stomach last week watching the e-mini losses run away (best way to feel a trade is be in it, early and small) and being outright wrong (but not naked) on the US Steel takeover. They may have to run those numbers again, now. Not quite like lookin' at Chinese takeover of BHP...can't get any closer to the precipice there, hey G.F.?
Shanghai up again tonight so don't want to let those words too far out of my mouth. But Banks never made it past Feb; the Regionals nevergot off the March mat. They can make money now just stuffing it away in treasuries. No doubt the Bull has been where it's at and it's momentum still lingers. May have to do some fancy footwork but this one goes to the bears. We don't get many. But they're all good  _________________ Today is the Tomorrow you worried about Yesterday! |
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HenryTo Site Admin


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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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Sorry guys, I was waiting for the reclusive 70+ reading on the Barnes and a 13,800 reading on the DJIA.
The NYSE ARMS closed at 1.57 today - definitely not oversold enough and is suggesting that there should be more downside to go over the next few weeks. |
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dash Veteran Poster

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