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PostPosted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 8:48 am    Post subject: The "D" Word Reply with quote

As mentioned in another post, the word "depression" seems to have been rarely used during the actual event. Factiva hasn't been applied there, yet. But in the here and now, yes:

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Depression obsession

Published: October 17 2008 15:12 | Last updated: October 17 2008 19:47

The old joke says that a recession is when your neighbour loses his job and a depression is when you lose yours. But the reality is that economists have no firm benchmark for what distinguishes one from the other. This has given rise to some unwarranted comparisons between today’s crisis and the calamity of the 1930s. Type the term “Great Depression” into the press search engine Factiva and nearly 11,000 references over the past three months pop up, almost four times the same period a year ago. Several articles refer to recent stock market gyrations or house price declines, which are indeed some of the worst since the 1930s. Even so, a bit of perspective is in order.

From 1929 through 1933, the United States saw real economic output fall by nearly a third and unemployment soar from 3 per cent to 25 per cent. Stock prices took a quarter century to regain their peak. Since then, referring to an economic downturn as a “depression” has been seen as alarmist. Carter administration economist Alfred Kahn was famously admonished when he warned of one (he cheekily called it a banana instead). Even the worst postwar downturn, from 1973 through 1975, saw US output, from quarterly peak to trough, fall by almost 3 per cent and unemployment rise to 8.3 per cent – nasty, but a different order of magnitude entirely.

When that recession began, Ben Bernanke was a university student, Hank Paulson was just joining Goldman Sachs, and many of today’s masters of the universe were still in diapers. But the fact that they might have needed them again during the past several weeks does not make the looming downturn a depression. In spite of George Santayana’s famous warning about being condemned to repeat the past, the policy mistakes of the 1930s are the most-studied of all time. Unless governments reverse their forceful response – with ruinous trade wars, tighter money and balanced budgets – “depression” will remain a word for the history books.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 10:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Homelessness in New York up 34%.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/20/nyregion/20homeless.html?hp
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 7:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

From broken teeth to pillaging bosnian luxury landlords a pastiche of The Great Recession....and it's epilogue since this story ran a year ago:

http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/377/Scenes-From-a-Recession
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 8:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What we didn't have in the 30's, themeparks:

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-park-jobs5-2010mar05,0,344887.story
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 2:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seems like half the iTunes "Country" top downloads feature economic entendres: most prominently, "Just a Temporary Home" Carrie Underwood.

An update for Greenspan's underwear indicator: lower for longer (buy big banks Embarassed )

http://www.minyanville.com/businessmarkets/articles/Mens-Underwear-Index-Skiviez-buy-underpants/2/22/2010/id/26495
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We'll see if we get a better (fewer) response to the Denny's grand slam promo this year.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 8:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

37 million americans on food stamps (costco now accepts them); program administered by JPM! Just like old times.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aXv9ILnj1fkM
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 7:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The "suitcase farmer" and the speculative boom in plains grain that was as much a part of the notorious dustbowl as the weather:


http://books.google.com/books?id=8NS0OTXRlTMC&pg=PA258&dq=%22suitcase+farmers%22+dustbowl&ei=z3UQS8XnApPIlATB2ISkDA#v=onepage&q=&f=false

Couldn't happen now though Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 7:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The $300 pair of jeans is now the $200 pair of jeans:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/29/fashion/29JEANS.html?_r=1&8dpc
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Take this with the spin it's intended:

http://ftalphaville.ft.com/blog/2009/10/26/79561/great-depression-esque-bad-debt-at-us-banks/




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PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When is a paycheck not a paycheck?

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/14/business/economy/14income.html?_r=1&hp
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 9:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Utility Bill:

http://www.businessinsider.com/we-cant-afford-to-pay-for-electricity-2009-8
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 9:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The victory garden worked:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125055110227438411.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 10:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.hulu.com/watch/61265/the-simpsons-foreclosure
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 3:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of Kreppa babies and whale blubber:

http://tinyurl.com/o4mv6c
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 11:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's all for sale, even the bare essentials :


http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-marilyn14-2009aug14,0,2135061.story
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