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HenryTo Site Admin


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Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 8:53 am Post subject: |
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ABX indices still hanging out at all-time lows:
http://www.markit.com/information/affiliations/abx.html
Per the WSJ, the ABX indices are now discounting a 30% decline in housing prices in both the California and Florida housing markets in the next five years. Consensus is that the decline in these ABX indices is an overreaction (although I dare folks to try to do an arbitrage here), but if these indices don't bounce by the end of this year, then things are going to get very ugly. |
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HenryTo Site Admin


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Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 10:22 am Post subject: |
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FYI:
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"Blood in the water" in Florida property market
By Tom Brown
CAPE CORAL, Florida (Reuters) - Phone books that were delivered but never opened rot away next to empty driveways and overgrown lawns, telltale signs that once-booming southwest Florida is now the center of the U.S. housing storm.
Until two years ago, middle-class retirees vied with property speculators for houses and apartments in Cape Coral, a town near Fort Myers on Florida's sun-drenched Gulf Coast. Now almost every other house on some of its streets has a for-sale sign outside.
With a bloated inventory of unsold homes and a growing number of homeowners forced by mortgage delinquencies to sell -- thanks to the subprime crisis and ensuing credit crunch -- southwest Florida's once warm clime for property has turned stone-cold.
Linda Setterlund, 61, owns a pristine three-bedroom, two-bath, Cape Coral house that has been on the market for about a year.
At a reduced asking price of $183,900, she said the house had been priced to match what she and her husband owed on it, after moving in three years ago with a 30-year fixed mortgage.
Setterlund said she and her husband had decided to leave the area to join family in Tennessee, but their decision was also prompted by growing real estate taxes and skyrocketing homeowner insurance rates after an active 2005 hurricane season.
"They're saying that we're heading for a recession but I think we're past that," said Setterlund, referring to the housing glut and its effect across much of south Florida. "I think we're headed more into a depression."
Setterlund and other local residents, many of them retirees from the Midwest, complained of low wages in the Fort Myers area, where leading employers include the Publix supermarket chain and the school board.
There was a nearly 27-month supply of existing single-family homes on the Fort Myers market last month compared to a three-month supply at the height of the local boom in housing in August 2005, according to Denny Grimes, a top real estate agent in Fort Myers.
At the same time, more than 40 percent of single-family homes were listed at prices below $250,000 versus just 18 percent at the market peak.
"There's a lot of blood in the water and there's a lot more to come," Grimes said.
OVERSUPPLY IN "WORST" MARKET
Making things worse, Grimes said builders were still churning out new housing units at big discounts in and around Fort Myers, where many investors bought houses during the recent boom market without ever considering the long-term cost of holding properties.
Fort Myers "is by far the worst housing market that we're in," J. Larry Sorsby, executive vice president and chief financial officer of home builder Hovnanian Enterprises Inc., told Reuters.
Hovnanian bought the largest home builder in the Fort Myers in August 2005 just as sales in the city were starting to dry up.
"They were the last one aboard the Titanic," Grimes said.
Ever the realtor, Grimes said now may be the time for buyers to seek opportunity in adversity, since Fort Myers housing prices have fallen back to levels where they could already offer buyers the potential deal of a "lifetime."
"The best time to buy is when the sellers fear tomorrow is worse than today," said Grimes.
While business is slow for Grimes and other real estate agents, it has been booming lately for Jonas Elliott, a so-called "short sell" specialist at Southwest Florida Home Buyer Services in Fort Myers.
Elliott specializes in buying properties from banks or other lenders that are at a risk of foreclosure, usually at a large discount, and then "flipping" them at a profit.
"In this particular county I have about five years of good business," Elliott said.
"I'm so inundated with properties I couldn't tell you," he added. "We have a ton of inventory, a ton of new properties coming into inventory."
Noting that losses on local properties had hardly been limited to medium-income retirees or "snowbirds," traditional residents of towns like Fort Myers escaping the harsh winters of the U.S. Midwest and Northeast, Elliott said one current customer of his was about to swallow a $1.5 million loss on four properties he could no longer afford to finance.
"That's a hefty sum of change," said Elliott. |
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HenryTo Site Admin


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Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 12:29 am Post subject: |
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Stephen Levy on California housing and on the potential "multiplier effects." Note that the NY market should also taking a hit, given the upcoming bonus cuts in both the hedge fund industry and in Wall Street this year. Following is courtesy of the WSJ (and Herb Greenberg):
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MarketWatch / Weekend Investor
Don't Own a Pricey California Home?
You Had Best Still Watch That Market
By HERB GREENBERG
September 1, 2007; Page B3
Stephen Levy is worried about the health of the housing market in California.
Even if you haven't heard of him or are simply tired of hearing about anything having to do with housing, Mr. Levy is a man who should be listened to. Senior economist at the Center for Continuing Study of the California Economy in Palo Alto, Calif., which he co-founded more than 35 years ago, Mr. Levy has seen more than his share of cycles.
This cycle doesn't look like it is going to end well, he says. His reasoning is deceptively simple: "There's a limit to what people can afford." When the coastal areas of the state were reporting home prices that seemed unrealistically high in the late 1990s, Mr. Levy was among those who thought prices throughout the state, on average, could go even higher.
The centerpiece of his theory at the time was that prices remained below or in line with the national average in places such as Sacramento, Riverside and Fresno. "People would say, 'It's a long commute, but I can get a good home,' " Mr. Levy says.
Since then, fueled by what Mr. Levy terms "bizarre mortgages," home prices have ballooned to 80% more than the national average in some of these markets. The median home price in the state -- recent price declines, notwithstanding -- hovered at $586,000 as of late July, according to the latest figures from California Association of Realtors. That is more than double the national average of $228,900.
This is where Mr. Levy's thoughts about affordability come into play. For many Americans, creative mortgages or not, a purchase price of a few hundred thousand dollars with a small down payment using conventional financing is a lot of money. So is the $1 million-plus to be paid for the privilege of living a few feet from neighboring homes in a tract development in many parts of the state -- where housing already is considered by some observers to be in a recession, as defined by sharp drops in the level of new construction and sales activity.
A bigger economic upheaval, Mr. Levy says, "isn't about foreclosures," which are making the headlines now, "it's about the spending behavior of those who aren't going to lose homes but have seen their wealth evaporate." Either they don't have as much home equity to borrow against, he says, or they are afraid to spend as they watch the value of their home decline.
From their peak, home prices in California's fastest-growing areas have fallen 6% to 11%. For a while, the so-called wealth effect of that decline was offset by the rising stock market. "But the stock market is coming back to earth," Mr. Levy says. At one point in August, in intraday trading, the Dow Jones Industrial Average was down 10% from its 14000.41 record close.
Making matters worse, he says, the first baby boomers turn 62 years old next year. They will be retiring soon and may want to sell their homes to downsize. As long as home prices remain at such lofty levels, California could have a hard time recruiting replacements who like the idea of homeownership, especially first-time buyers. "That's where this hits the economy," Mr. Levy says. "It will be hard to attract new people and firms to the state," which has seen a slow net migration in recent years.
Even multiple cuts in the Federal Reserve's target federal-funds rate, he argues, won't necessarily help until prices become more rational. With 10.7 months of unsold inventory, not counting homes that would be on the market if sellers thought there would be buyers, he believes Californians can expect another few years of difficulty, depending on the speed of this housing correction.
Why should non-Californians care about the California housing market, especially when the S&P/Case-Shiller Home Price Index shows year-over-year increases in such cities as Charlotte, N.C., Portland, Ore., and Seattle? Because the Golden State accounts for 13% of the country's gross domestic product -- or the total value of all goods and services produced -- nearly double the No. 2 contributor, New York. That means that what happens in California, home to such growth industries as high-tech, biotech, venture capital and film, doesn't necessarily stay in California. The impact of slow economic growth, or even recession, in the state will ripple through the rest of the country.
California, alone, wouldn't be enough to put the country into a recession, Mr. Levy says. "What would be serious would be if there are other markets like California." And based on prices well above the average in places like New York, Boston and Boulder, Colo., and the Miami-Fort Lauderdale area, we know there are. |
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rffrydr Moderator


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Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 9:22 am Post subject: |
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It's those guys in Cali and Florida again:
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/new-foreclosures-set-record-latest/story.aspx?guid=%7B5266FE43%2D10D5%2D4469%2DAABE%2D7F6885DA05A3%7D&dist=SecMostRead
At some point comments like this will become quaint:
| Quote: | Duncan said there was a "clear divergence" in performance between fixed-rate and adjustable-rate mortgages because of the impact that rate resets have.
"While the seriously delinquent rate for prime fixed loans was essentially unchanged from the first quarter of the year to the second, and the rate actually fell for subprime fixed- rate loans, that rate increased 36 basis points for prime ARM loans and 227 basis points for subprime loans," he said. | [/quote] _________________ Today is the Tomorrow you worried about Yesterday! |
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Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 9:10 am Post subject: |
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Hovanian puking up 13000 more homes. Beazer receives default notice after saying not in default.
Are we looking for hombuilder bust as institutional wreck? _________________ Today is the Tomorrow you worried about Yesterday! |
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Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 9:19 am Post subject: |
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Story on Beazer:
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CORRECTED: Beazer's notes trustee claims company in default
Friday September 7, 11:06 am ET
CHICAGO (Reuters) - Home builder Beazer Homes USA Inc (NYSE:BZH - News) said on Friday it received "purported" default notices related to some senior notes from the bank that serves as trustee for the notes, sending shares down as much as 13 percent.
Beazer, already facing a deteriorating housing market as well as two separate pending probes related to its mortgage-origination business, said it believes the notices of default "are invalid and without merit."
U.S. Bancorp (NYSE:USB - News), parent of U.S. Bank, declined immediate comment.
Last month, Beazer sued U.S. Bank, the trustee for the senior notes, in federal court in Atlanta, asking the court to rule that a delay in filing its quarterly financial report did not constitute a default on $1.3 billion of its outstanding notes.
As a trustee, U.S. Bank acts as middleman between Beazer and its bondholders, providing administrative services such as distributing interest payments. It also passes on notices of default if certain conditions are not met. The bank does not necessarily have lending exposure to Beazer.
U.S. Bank said in the notices that Atlanta-based Beazer is in default because it has not yet filed its quarterly report for the period ended June 30. The notices allege the defaults will become "events of default" if not remedied within 60 days, Beazer said.
The home builder said its agreements related to the notes require delivery of quarterly reports to U.S. Bank within 15 days of their submission to regulators. It previously said it had delivered every quarterly report as required and never missed a bond payment.
Beazer said on August 15 its delay in filing its third-quarter Form 10-Q was due to internal probes into the company's mortgage origination business.
It said last month its former chief accounting officer, who was fired, may have caused reserves and other accrued liabilities to have been recorded in prior accounting periods above what is allowed under generally accepted accounting principles. The company said resolution of the issue would not affect its reported cash position.
In July, Beazer disclosed the SEC was investigating possible violations by the company of U.S. securities laws.
Earlier this year, Beazer disclosed it was the subject of several lawsuits as well an informal SEC probe and a U.S. Attorney's investigation into practices in its mortgage business.
On Friday, Beazer's shares fell as low as $9.50, before easing to $9.90, down $1.01, or 9.3 percent, in early trading on the New York Stock Exchange. |
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Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 10:14 am Post subject: |
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| XHB making a new low as I am typing this - led by LEN. |
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Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 8:03 am Post subject: |
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KB Homes flagging a 50% cancellation rate.
Existing Home prices are finally beginning to fall which may enable these commitments to firm--ironically. _________________ Today is the Tomorrow you worried about Yesterday! |
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Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 1:22 pm Post subject: |
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BCA on homebuilders:
http://www.bankcreditanalyst.com/public/story.asp?pre=PRE-20070927.GIF
| Quote: | | Homebuilding stocks have been stuck in a freefall and a turnaround in coming quarters is unlikely. Heightened concern about sub-prime loan defaults remains a key ingredient to the bear market in both sub-prime and housing stocks. Notably, sub-prime relative performance, has led homebuilding stocks in the past decade, and the current message is still negative. Meanwhile, Lennar posted a massive third-quarter loss Tuesday, highlighting that the industry still has the ability to surprise on the downside. |
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Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 12:45 am Post subject: |
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Homebuilders Liquidate Assets as Threat to Survival Spurs Sales
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601068&sid=adFsGVxspArw&refer=economy
| Quote: | The 15 largest homebuilders are saddled with $7.75 billion in debt due to be repaid through 2009 and the companies' bonds trade as if they were junk, according to credit-default swap data.
At least five of the top 15 homebuilders by revenue are burdened with too much debt, Agency Trading's Barron said. They are Hovnanian in Red Bank, New Jersey; Irvine, California-based Standard Pacific; WCI Communities Inc. of Bonita Springs, Florida; Atlanta-based Beazer Homes USA Inc.; and TOUSA Inc. in Hollywood, Florida.
``We would not be surprised to see one or more of the larger homebuilders become insolvent if current pricing trends persist into 2008,'' Mark A. Morgan, senior equity financial analyst with New York-based Rochdale Securities LLC, wrote in a note to clients on Sept. 27.
At least seven publicly traded homebuilders have asked their banks for more lenient lending terms in the past four months, according to New York-based research firm CreditSights Inc. They are Pulte, on June 29; D.R. Horton, on July 6; Beazer, on July 25; Dallas-based Centex Corp., on July 18; KB Home on Aug. 17; Lennar, on Aug. 21; and Standard Pacific on Sept. 14. |
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Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 8:02 am Post subject: |
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I read that this morning and the part breaking down the imput costs on an average home was notable--not just for the discounts in the auctions but on an absolute basis. $450,000, without appreciation is gonna keep average families OUT of the american dream by mathematics alone. --Ah the condo, home sweet home. _________________ Today is the Tomorrow you worried about Yesterday! |
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